Okay ladies, you all feel offended by me speaking the truth so I'll stop. Good Luck to you all in your weight reduction efforts. I'm proud of everyone who is even thinking about being a healthier size. Congratulations on that.

Jesus said,"The kingdom of God is within you," and they killed him for it. Most people hate to hear the truth. I guess that's something that will never change.

My best to you all.

Nichole

Nichole,
You seem to speak with a two-edged sword. First you apologize for "offending" then you say we can't take the truth. It may be the truth for you but it certainly is not the truth for me. I have been fat all my life. At my highest weight I was over 370 pounds. I have successfully lost weight many times over the years but never made the connection between lifestyle change and permanent weight loss until now. Being undisciplined has never been my problem. I am a college graduate, a Librarian at a major University in California and very proud of my accomplishments. I could never have come this far without discipline and a determination to succeed.

I agree that the Kingdom of God is within but Jesus never would have used those words to wound i.e., "people hate to hear the truth."

cissy

Cissy, obviously you have had discipline in many areas of your life and of which you should be very proud. However, I think you will agree that you have lacked discipline where food is concerned. I do not see how this is insulting, but please do not waste your time trying to enlighten me.

Good luck to you in your weight loss efforts.

A) If Input of calories > Output of calories, then storage of calories must take place.
B) Storage of calories takes the form of fat...excessive fat storage = obesity
C) Discipline (self-control) is THE only way to lessen input and/or increase output

If you have a way to refute this argument, then feel free to enlighten me.


Nichole

[This message has been edited by nlh031 (edited 06-03-99).]

It is now well-recognized in the medical community that obesity is a physiological disorder. Obesity is a chronic disease. It is not simply a matter of achieving more or better discipline or self-control. Obese people are not flawed. We (excluding you of course) have an illness, every bit as real as cancer, AIDS or diabetes.

I cannot, and have no intention of refuting that "less in, more out" is not correct. It is still key to any weight-loss program. I don't recall ever saying that it wasn't.

I do not agree, however, that "I have lacked discipline where food is concerned." What I have lacked is understanding and education about making the healthiest choices for myself.

Your post is insulting because you make a very broad assumption about me personally and then rudely dismiss me by saying "do not waste your time trying to enlighten me." To enlighten means to furnish knowledge; to free from ignorance and misinformation, based on the full comprehension of the problems involved. You know nothing about me or my lifelong battle with obesity and make it perfectly clear that you do not wish to know. Thank you for letting me know in advance that I'd only be wasting my time.

And one last thing, "luck" has nothing to do with my personal weight loss efforts.

cissy

This was posted in another spot but thinnk it has everything to do with here and many places

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Author Topic: Alissa, others, discipline v. genetics
nlh031
Junior Member posted 06-02-99 08:45 PM
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Alissa,

I post on many boards and something I've heard a lot of people say is that when they were stuck and not even eating all the points, they were advised to eat a few MORE points a day for a week and to keep up the exercise.
As for disciplined v. undisciplined, even though I was careful in my wording, I was pretty sure that many people would see me saying something else, which is what happened. Yes, genetics has a lot to do with how easily one gains or loses, or maintains a given weight. Some people need more discipline than others. This may not be fair, but it's the truth. It can be discouraging at times, but it's life. Almost all the women in my family are overweight, however I will not allow myself to throw up my hands and say that genetics has doomed me. I believe it is a matter of discipline, and as I've said, some people need to exercise a lot more personal control than others. No, it's not fair, but neither is life. We can sit around and cry about it--I did that for about 10 years--or we can fight for the body we deserve. I almost have it and I'm enjoying it in every possible way. Who do we admire most in the world? Those who overcome amazing odds!

I can walk in a marathon, but you'd still think it were a more incredible feat if someone in a wheel chair did it right beside me. You'd give him or her much more credit, and he or she would deserve it. I played into the whole genetics BS for a long long time, but it never made me feel better. This has been a long long row to hoe and I'm proud of what I have done. I know keeping the weight off will be a lifelong struggle, but so very worth all the effort. I also think that the drug companies are very into telling everyone they can't lose weight because of their genetics--it sells their drugs. But that's just my opinion, and nobody has to agree with me. I've lost nearly 120lbs without any drugs, without powders, without special foods. It has taken me a year and a half, so far, and it has been more than a little difficult. I won't feel sorry for anyone because of their genetics, and I surely don't want anyone feeling sorry for me.

I'm here for you if you'd like support. Your strawberry picking sounds like a great idea. Wonderful exercise and fresh air. I love to do canning, also, but have been doing more freezing in the past few years due to limited free time.

Good luck to all

Shrinking vibes to you.

Affectionately,

Nichole

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Alissa
Junior Member posted 06-03-99 12:34 AM
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OKay
Well I am not using genitics as an excuse just saying that because of it you are more prone to it.

I have only been been this weight for less than 4 years I usually was 170ish. But I had 2 kids and didnt pay any attention to what I weighed, When I moved I even threw my scale away because I was scared of the numbers but never did alter my eating. I never tried to cut down nothing. I couldnt have been undisaplined because I wasnt I just did it bacause I wanted to . I love food and It wanted to sit on me premanently.

I know genitics do play a role, I also know that metabolism plays another role, me and my sister did the same things every day ate the same foods and you know what she was about 40 lbs less than me.

I also know someone who is 85 pounds at 25 years old and 5'3" tall, kinda small I think but she eats alot and dont excercise just the way she is.

I am not at a plateau right now so eating more isnt going to do much. I lost 5.8 pounds in the last 2 weeks, I didnt get weighed last week due to a holiday that I didnt mess up on.

I avoid fast food. when ido go to eat only if I have major urges I get a water and a cheese burger eat half throw the rest out. Just really wanted the taste.

Everybody is different, all our bodies are different what works for one may not for another, Just like what id true for one may not be for another.

You may not use drugs, but drugs dont make you lose weight they are just an aid you still must work, for many its a mind thing they work harder knowing they have help.

Special foods, well for a single person at home alone at night sometimes a premade WW dinner is perfect no harm i think. I myself will be on the road working as I have an odd job it keeps me on the road for hours on end well for food when really needed I grab a slimfast shake, sure beats McDonalds.

I dont think genitics is BS because many peoples families all have thyroid problems which make it harder to lose weight and it goes on so easy.

I am not trying to critizize you in anyway so please dont get mad, But I am a person who firmly believes that it worked for you great doesnt mean it will work for me. We are different people, different bodies, We are all unique. Who are we to say that our way is better.

Alissa